If you have trouble with the recoil of a 10mm, how do you think you'll handle a .44 Magnum? Best 10mm Ammo For Self-Defense And Hunting (2018) 10mm Vs .45 ACP: Making the Right Choice; Glock 10mm Pistols: The Stalwart Option; Because we’re looking at the bear-busters—the hunting loads here—I’ll leave the defensive ammo subject with one simple suggestion: Hornady 175-grain Flexlock Critical Duty. .40SW with 180 gr. Sure a 480 Ruger or 500 S&W is much more potent, but given the weight, cost, and capacity of any Glock in 10mm, it’s easy to understand why some choose the pistol as a practical and reasonable tool for defense in bear country. Also, having a yappy dog around helps, both as an alarm, and a deterrent. Brass-cased ammo usually costs more than steel-cased ammo, but is more reliable. Hornady Ammunition: Custom 180 Grain JHP When it comes to finding the best self-defense 10mm ammo, Hornady stands at the front of the line. The best bear gun is a .22,shoot your buddy in the leg then run like crazy. Underwood you have will about as effective as any 10mm for defensive shooting black bear. With pistols, shot placement matters most. So my plan at this point is to use the ammo I have and trust for my 10. I in in whatcom county, washington. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. No one is saying a 10MM is ballistically superior to a big bore revolver. The 10mm is NOT comparable to .41M, I don't care what anyone says (10mm gets about 1/2 way to 265 gr. Joined: Dec 24, 2002 Messages: 4,066 Location: alaska. You can reduce recoilwith a threaded barrel and compensator, and by mastering grip technique. This is a potent anti-personnel load, but the Silvertip JHP handgun bullet is known more for rapid … Some pistols don't like the big, flat-nose bullets. why this over a hardcast? Remington does not offer any 10mm hunting ammo and Federal has only a single 10mm Light (FBI type) load. Black Talon can dispatch 350-ish pound black bear. Use a pistol to buy time to get the 12 ga, which is what you need. The Hydra-Shok line of bullets continues to stand the test of time very well. G. gordfraser . But which is better? 3 rounds in the neck and shoulder (Mozambique-like, if you will). If you use hollow points on bears, your bullets may deflect off their thick, tough bones. 10mm ammo with full or hot loads approximates 41 mag ballistics. 2,398 Posts #7 • Apr 15, 2013. countrygun said: I have both and I live in n are with a heavy bear population and can get two and sometimes three bear tag a year. I was tempted on more than one occasion to do very bad things to it as it is a little yappy ankle biter that decided my boots were its new favorite chew toy. The three categories are self-defense, plinking, and even hunting. The 180 gr. 10mm recoils about 38% more than 9mm. Most .357 rounds have slower-burning gunpowder, and only realize their full potential out of a longer barrel. but if you can't get that, these are the runners-up: We only recommend the above rounds. Big animals have thicker, tougher bones, and your ammo must pierce them to hit vitals. For more info, see our Defensive Ammo Guide. 10mm bear ammo question Thread starter gordfraser; Start date Sep 26, 2018; 1; 2; 3; Next. Out of a 16" rifle barrel, the .357 Magnum is 25% more powerful. Underwood, Cor Bon and DoubleTap also make really good 10mm Ammo, particularly if you want a hotter load. Let’s get to it! I apologize for failing to specify that the likely species is black bear. Sep 26, 2018 #1/61 So I have decided on a Glock 20 (10mm) for defense on an Alaskan trip in the future. Self-Defense. You can’t load the right ammo for bear defense, but it’s better than a sharp stick. Next Last. Therefore, we’ve put together our 5 best choice bear defense guns of 2021 that we could find on the market today. In my opinion, carrying a 9mm in the bear woods is pretty close to carrying a .22 LR for self-defense. Remington Model 870 Express. 200-220 grain non-expanding bullet loaded heavy. Assuming Grizzly country. 1. Training classes often require brass-cased ammo. [2] well, how many bears did you have to shoot? I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. Login with username, password and session length. It's the most popular handgun round, oh i knew it was in jest, cajun, but it wasnt too long ago on another board that someone actually queried what 40s&w loads would be good for bear defense, and it wasnt in … 15 rounds of FMJ is a wise defense here, also. Three of the most practical bear back-up handgun cartridges available are: (from left) Buffalo Bore’s 10mm Auto 220-grain hard-cast load, Garrett’s .44 Magnum 310-grain hard-cast load, and Buffalo Bore’s .480 Ruger 330-grain Dangerous Game monometal load. 1,611 Posts #2 • Aug 1, 2016. [3] Is the 10mm Enough Gun for Bear Defense? Had a great time. The 180 gr. The need for your firearm is exceedingly rare, but when you need it, you need it RIGHT NOW and you need it to stop the threat. thanks for the good info and a chuckle or two. Not sure what load they carry but, they wanted a semi-auto for bear attacks. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr … if you are going to use a 10mm I think the best option is a full power 200gr FMJ round nose. IMO; unless your going to be in Grizzly (Brown Bear) country, Underwood 180gr Gold Dot & 180gr FMJ (TMJ) should be more than sufficient. This week I will offer up some tips on picking the BEST 10mm Ammo for STOPPING POW-AH!!! And a shotgun or howitzer if available. I doubt a black bear would come anywhere near you if you are cutting and splitting wood. Federal has been making the popular Hydra-Shok line of ammunition since 1989. These are far from the only acceptable choices for 10mm self-defense ammo. I am intrigued by the xp3 you mentioned. Self-defense and duty use are what the 10mm was originally developed to do. Thanks for the replies. Time. but I guess bears and or other wildlife are scared of either the sound of chainsaws or 3 lbs of yappy ankle biting chihuahua. For stopping bears, the best 10mm defensive round is the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator 140gr (+P or +P+ optional), If they weren’t labeled and we didn’t show … As said, it all depends on the bear. Some pistols don't like the big, flat-nose bullets. That’s far more than I would have credited a 9mm cartridge’s capability. They each make their 10mm at full power. Glock 20 Some people consider it almost sacrilegious to recommend a semi-automatic handgun chambered in 10mm Auto as a bear-defense gun. What do you get in return? This 180 Grain JHP bullet is made for self-defense. It carries maximum power to stop threats as … For more info, see our Practice Ammo Guide. There are many documented cases! They'll penetrate as well as any hardcast, and the bullet won't matter if you miss vitals. And, we’ve made sure they fit good criteria to cope with a surprise bear attack. The only wild life encountered was my buddies new dog. By Larry Case . A .44 Magnum revolver has around 20-30% more recoil than a semiauto 10mm pistol. In contrast, a.500 Smith & Wesson with a 440-grain bullet has 2,579 foot-pounds of energy. Few handguns, short of the big magnums, are better than spray. what would the best area to target to stop an angry bear? For more info, see our Defensive Ammo Guide. I would also consider the loads if I was in a situation where I had to shoot someone in a car or behind another intermediate barrier. Thank you for the information DM. .44 Magnum is about 22% more powerful than 10mm out of a pistol, and about 29% more powerful out of a 16" rifle barrel. I don’t want to hear about my choice of … Conclusion: Best Bear Country Guns. Federal’s made the ammo for just shy of three decades now. Other than that, I would avoid anything but the 155 grain hollowpoint bullets for self defense. Use a pistol to buy time to get the 12 ga, which is what you … are you in Grizzly bear country? Go. There are documented cases of hollow-point rounds, including 10mm rounds, deflecting off of the skulls of bears. The best 10mm ammo for protection and hunting: Hornady 175-grain Critical Duty; Speer 200-grain Gold Dot; SIG Sauer 180-grain V-Crown; Federal 180-grain Hydra Shok; Federal 180-grain Trophy Bonded JSP; Buffalo Bore Heavy Outdoorsman 220 grain; Hornady 180-grain XTP; Underwood Ammo 150 … 10MM Auto – Buffalo Bore Ammo in Glock Model 20 (meplat = 0.280″) (4.5″ barrel) This is ideal performance in gelatin for self-defense ammo. As always, test the accuracy and reliability of your chosen 10mm Auto self-defense ammo at the range before you start carrying it. Steel-cased ammo is usually cheaper than brass-cased ammo, but can cause jams. Cut and split a pile about the size of a small trailer house. I would choose a full power 200gr fmj or cast bullet. There are documented cases of 10mm killing black, brown, and Grizzly bears. If we look at the best 10mm loads and the best 40 S&W loads, there’s not really any difference in the test results. Grizzly Bear that charged, brought down at 10 feet with a 10mm in Alaska. A 10mm packs more than enough power to punch through hog skin and bone to hit vitals. Since it appears you have some first hand experience in dealing with bears i have a couple of questions. Fifteen rounds that I can shoot one handed seems like the way to go. 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Larger than that, I dunno. Only use steel-cased 10mm ammo for range practice. With these rounds, that won't happen so easily. They also carry the Glock 20 as their side arm because it will work in the extreme cold and they wanted it to defend from polar bear attacks. KillitnGrillit, May 4, 2005 #19. spacemanspiff Senior Member. With hollow points, however, 9mm expands to 90-95% of the diameter of 10mm, and penetrates to the FBI standard of 12-18 inches. This is a classic buzzword people like to throw around (myself included), but on a more serious note that we can measure, we will be assessing the velocities, grain weights, and ballistic gel results from various ammunition you could use for self-defense or hunting. If I was looking for a self defense round to use against bears or large game, a deep penetrating 10mm load would be at the top of the list. that being said, for a heavy bodied animal like a bear or big hog, you want penetration. If you're firing Xtreme defenders or other fluid transfer monolithic (FTM) rounds, you get 20-40% more performance. 1 of 6 Photo by Larry Case Training It should be noted that as with any firearm use, you are only as good as your training and how much you practice. Remember: With pistols, shot placement matters most. and would there be any preference between an 1 1/8 oz lead slug or a 7/8 oz copper slug from a 12 ga? The 10mm auto with the best 220-grain hard-cast bullet has a pathetic 703 foot-pounds of energy. Disclaimer: I get a small commission on purchases through the price links above, at no extra cost to you. Best 10mm Ammo. 10mm Auto Ammo is incredibly versatile and one of the few handgun rounds that can be used for hunting small or medium-sized game. The 10mm is a great self-defense load and to a degree, it might be a bit much to a lot of people. Rating - 100%. Joined Feb 12, 2012 Messages 89 Likes 21 Location SE MA. This is a 175-grain bullet at a listed 1,160 fps (testing usually … What do you gain from even more power and recoil? What 10mm ammo has you covered for self defense and hunting? However, no one can deny that it is a potent, man-stopping round. They are saying aGlock 10MM is a good choice for bear defense, i.e. Also consider, if you haven't shot that ammo in your pistol before, it may not run. That said, always remember: With pistols, shot placement matters most. Quote from: fernpatch on April 28, 2016, 01:35:53 PM, Corrections supervisor/Hunter/shooter/reloader. Absolutely. short of that I would suggest bear spray. If you’re looking for a large, powerful cartridge, two of your best options are the 10mm Auto and the .44 Remington Magnum, commonly known simply as the “.44 Magnum.” Whether you need a defense weapon for walking in bear country or you simply enjoy waking up the range with a large-caliber handgun, these two rounds are powerful, trusted, and extremely effective. If you use the right ammo type, 10mm will absolutely stop bears, even Grizzlies. Out of a pistol, with full-power ammo, 10mm is about 5% more powerful than .357 Magnum. The Winchester 10mm factory load with a 175 grain Silvertip JHP bullet has an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 1290 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 649 ft. lbs. When comparing defensive rounds, 10mm has more recoil, less ammo capacity, and more cost per round compared to 9mm. [14]. However, this semi-automatic cartridge is also an excellent choice for concealed carry weapons, providing superior firepower in self-defense situations. 10mm is around 22% more powerful than .45 ACP. you … 15+1 of either of those would serve as a hell of a deterrent to a Black Bear sized predator. Why? Federal 10mm 180 Grain Hydra-Shok JHP. [7] I am looking forward to getting out of town for sure. Tyler Freel explains the most important aspects of carrying a handgun as defense in bear country. So, pushing a 40 caliber bullet to higher velocities sometimes results in better terminal ballistics, but that is entirely dependent on the bullet design. They carry Lee Infields that are re-chambered for 30-06 because modern service rifles have difficulty in the extreme cold. Now that you understand the advantages and disadvantages of different types of firearms for animal self-defense, we’ll look at some of the best guns for protection outdoors. Compared to typical defense ammo, 10mm bear ammo favors penetration over expansion. So, let’s take a look at the best bear defense guns currently available and find the perfect one for you… It helps if you have a plan, but the bear has no intention to play by your plan. For reference, 9mm = 0.35", and a 10mm bullet is 0.40". The ammo companies recommend 200 grain FMJ for bear country. In one instance, the victim … 10mm against a brown bear is nothing more than a deterrent, regardless of the cartridge. Chances are, you won't see a bear. Best Bear Defense Cartridges Top Bear Defense Cartridges Charge Stopping Bear Cartridges Bear Defense Ammo Bear Cartridges.45-70 Government.454 Casull.44 Magnum.375 H&H Magnum.50 Alaskan 12-Gauge Slugs.338 Win. How does the 9mm perform so well? Done it twice out of necessity. There are documented cases of 10mm killing black, brown, and Grizzly bears. For stopping criminals, the best 10mm defensive round is the Underwood Xtreme Defender 100gr or 115gr (+P or +P+ optional), Best 10mm Self-Defense & Duty Ammo. When out in the wilderness, bear defense comes into play and the guns and gear you choose could be the difference between life and death. As George pointed out, there is a WORLD of difference between a blackie and a griz As George pointed out, there is a WORLD of difference between a blackie and a griz But here's a question, IF you are going to buy a new gun, why not get a Ruger Redhawk in 44 magnum or 45 Long Colt. It's a close call between Underwood Ammo and Buffalo Bore. If you use hollow points on bears, your bullets may deflect off their thick, tough bones. Thank you Rojo. 5 0 0. There were three instances in which .357 Magnum was used for bear defense, and here is where we find our failure. the damn thing is on top of you in a hurry. Other rounds will always lag when it comes to hollow point performance. That particular kill was credited partly to the use of FMJ ammo, but still. .41 and .44 Magnum will stop the 500+ pounders (been there, done that). I’m almost tempted to call it a failure-and-a-half, because another victim was wounded. but if you can't get that, get the Buffalo Bore 10mm 220gr Hard Cast. For stopping bears, the best 10mm defensive round is the Underwood Xtreme Penetrator 140gr (+P or +P+ optional), but if you can't get that, get the Buffalo Bore 10mm 220gr Hard Cast. I read about a Danish military scouting unit that patrols above the artic circle in Greenland. First I don't know if this is the best section to post this question as it does not directly involve hunting. Hunting one and having to defend yourself against one are two different things. Mag..357 S&W Magnum Bear Defense Bear Ammo Ammo Ammunition Eric Conn Either the trusted Federal brand name sells it, or it sells because … personally I think I am going to have a higher chance of some failure rapid firing those blocky WFNHCGC under stress than I would with the FMJ RN. I agree. Comparisons of Heavy Handgun Loads. 1. 1 of 3 Go to page. With good shot placement and hard-cast or solid-copper bullets, a 10mm bullet can take down a bear. @ 1430 FPS). However, the 10mm Auto is no slouch: it will absolutely do the trick if you place your shots properly. Federal 180 Grain … Best Bear Defense Firearms. They'll penetrate as well as any hardcast, and the bullet won't matter if you miss vitals. so I do not believe this is grizzly country. Hundreds of encounters with Polar Bears have been concluded with this handgun, chambered for 10MM Auto, and all these encounters have been reported in Patrol Dispatches over a period of several years. With a 4 round … Black bear are different and size matters (the bear's and the bullets). and that's brought tons of research into how to make 9mm hollow points the best they can be. The Best Guns, Gear & Ammo for Bear Defense. The Remington Model 870 Express is a classic pump-action shotgun with a whole lot of power. 2 of 6 Photo by … 10mmTheWayToGo said: I was wondering of those who carry a Glock 10mm in whatever model, what is your favorite defense … Bear country encounters are much like concealed carry encounters. If we're talking Black Bear area;  don't have any qualms about roaming the woods with the ammunition options you already own. A 10mm is powerful enough for nearly any bear or bear-like threat. 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